Cybersecurity in the School System

WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.679 Alright, alright, we're back in Atlanta at the global podcast studios, uh, 2 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:09.560 and we've got a great show here for you. Today. We're talking 3 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:15.080 all things cybersecurity, but today's topic is very timely. It's not just security 4 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:19.160 in the school system, but it's Cybersecurity, and we're all we've all heard 5 00:00:19.160 --> 00:00:24.120 the headlines about cybersecurity attacks and businesses and in the retail specter. But we're 6 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.320 gonna talk about Um Education Systems and we have the expert, the Guru, 7 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.119 the man, the dude, the doeskis man of Cybersecurity, live in our 8 00:00:32.119 --> 00:00:35.399 studio. Dwayne, Mr Dwayne Harart, welcome to the show. I'm trying 9 00:00:35.399 --> 00:00:39.320 to stop laughing. I just saw you. It's gonna be video. Yeah, 10 00:00:39.600 --> 00:00:41.920 you can pull you can. You can make that happen with a podcast. 11 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:45.719 Yeah, speaking of videos. So, Um, you've been Um, 12 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.280 you've been doing all things in terms of your book. Is Is, you 13 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:52.960 know, on the rise and it's gotten lots of sales in that category. 14 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.359 Your Youtube channel has always been, Um, very prominent, but you've started 15 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.119 doing live stream on youtube now. Right. How's that been going for you? 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.719 I want to be a TV star, so you're working your way there. 17 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:11.359 So these live screens are going well because they're designed to focus on happing 18 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:15.879 people channel their careers and in the sober security market. You know much of 19 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:21.959 the conversations that we have about some of these solutions and some of the challenges 20 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:26.879 and issues and sober security with the technologies. You and I take care of 21 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:32.920 those through the podcasts. You you know U Cybecurity, Gurule. Yeah, 22 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:34.959 I'M gonna write the chapter in your book. I can't write a whole book 23 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.719 about it, but yeah, all write from the from the user experience. 24 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:42.760 And Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a name for that. All 25 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:48.519 right, I got his serious name for that. Yop Dusty, dusty hackles 26 00:01:48.560 --> 00:01:53.799 hat fit. Oh, I like that. Yeah, because there's adjestable hat 27 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.159 size. Get a customer one. Um, you got my wheel spending. 28 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.159 But we gotta stay focused here. Yeah, so we got limited out of 29 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:02.040 time. Let's talk about as I mentioned at the top of the show, 30 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:07.239 this is about cybersecurity and, Um, the hackers, as you mentioned, 31 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:12.319 in the school system. So, UM, talk to us about Um, 32 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.919 you know in the last couple of years what's been on the shortlist. Well, 33 00:02:15.879 --> 00:02:21.919 so let's look at it from the high level. What does colleges offer 34 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:30.680 to the community education. How is education now taking advantage of? It's through 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:38.439 online assets, it's through sitting at home with your computers, because now we're 36 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:44.960 in this age where we're in post covid and most colleges, and a lot 37 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:52.400 of colleges really Um, transition to more online, Um, how can I 38 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:59.479 say online type of services offered, and now what happens is that they're seeing 39 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.439 that believe with these online services we can attract more students, you know, 40 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:07.439 because everybody wants to go to school from home. So, with that said, 41 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:14.280 underneath all of the all of the changes are is a serious, serious, 42 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:20.159 serious situation, and it's called cybersecurity. And, you know, I 43 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:25.759 just want to say that it's a serious concern because because we're dealing with information 44 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:30.280 and we're dealing with data and we're dealing with someone that is located in a 45 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:37.520 remote location and logging onto a server that is probably located five hundred miles away, 46 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:40.039 and in between that, we don't know who is, you know, 47 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.639 standing there or sitting somewhere with the laptop trying to intercept, ready to attack. 48 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:52.120 Yes, Um, so you mentioned, uh, stats and some numbers. 49 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:53.759 Let me give you some stats from a recent article here, such uh, 50 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:58.159 since the onset of the covid nineteen pandemic, both schools have returned to 51 00:03:58.199 --> 00:04:01.879 a fully integrated Um in person learning environment, but for a lot of the 52 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:06.319 damaging effects from those last couple of years, while we were all kind of, 53 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:12.199 you know, being sent home and so forth. Um. Sixties seven, 54 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:16.480 according to this article, sixties seven separate ransom attacks impacted almost a thousand 55 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.160 schools and colleges, putting at risk personal data of almost a million students. 56 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:28.519 Um. That's pretty some scary statistics, right, it is scary, it 57 00:04:28.560 --> 00:04:33.480 is is facts, facts, but but you know, what I would like 58 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:42.800 to say is that that one of my talking points for Cybersecurity is that let's 59 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.439 just for a minute, move away the type of organization or agency that, 60 00:04:47.639 --> 00:04:50.240 you know, we are dealing with. Let's just say if it's not a 61 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.839 school, and let's just look at Cyber Cybersecurity, you know, for what 62 00:04:56.000 --> 00:05:00.199 cybersecurity is all about. Let's just look at cybersecurity only. And if we 63 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.600 do that, there are certain standards that need to be followed. But you 64 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:08.439 have to but you have to institute those standards across the different platforms. You 65 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:15.759 know, those different platforms, platforms are colleges, banks, hospitals, Um, 66 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:20.120 maybe, maybe, maybe, your maybe, your utility plans. All 67 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:26.560 Right, so the foundation to cybersecurity should always be in place, but how 68 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.160 you use them, based on the technology that you have in place at these 69 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:34.600 different platforms, makes it different. Somewhere you fail or you succeed. Now, 70 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:41.319 now with colleges, see it's unique because you have a training environment and 71 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:46.040 you have portals and you have online assets, and not all the students that 72 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:53.519 are going through these program are working in technology. Maybe only probably, I 73 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:59.120 would say if about ten to fifteen. Pretend of the students are studying technology, 74 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.800 so that other students are either studying business or some type of liberal arts 75 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:09.879 and Liberal Arts and Um, social and Um, you know, the basic 76 00:06:09.959 --> 00:06:14.519 mass reading and so forth, but the technology space. Right. So they're 77 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.160 not in the technology space. So what? So what has to happen is 78 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:23.879 that that I always state this, is that the cybersecuity mindset works in the 79 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:30.519 millions of domains and what individual will have to do is to learn that the 80 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:38.680 standard to making cybersecurity operate is to invoke a thinking process and and see that 81 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:43.319 thinking process is saying that, hey, we are in a school system, 82 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:46.600 but their standards. We need to follow like everybody else follow, because what 83 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:53.040 I hate the most about the cybersecurity industry is that there's there's always a conversation 84 00:06:53.160 --> 00:07:00.279 about which industry has hit the most. All industries are to set the and 85 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:04.639 and the most important industry is your industry, whenever you're in so no offense. 86 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:09.079 But like if another industry, the retail sector, and if you're not 87 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:12.560 in that space, it doesn't concern you. But if you're in the school 88 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:15.720 system and you're responsible for kids, whether they're, you know, middle school, 89 00:07:15.800 --> 00:07:19.160 because now computers are being issued to, you know, elementary schools, 90 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.839 we just think, not just high schools. Right, let me ask you 91 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:26.279 this question. Who Do you think is more susceptible, uh, in terms 92 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.040 of UH, cybersecurity in within the school system? The High School or the 93 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.839 College? I'll give him my viewpoint on see if you subscribe to it or 94 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:36.920 not. Right. So, I think potentially you could, you know, 95 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:41.079 argue both sides of this. But but on one hand, the college, 96 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:45.399 because they're more independent, there's no parents overlooking and they're more likely to kind 97 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:50.480 of use their their school quote computer for other applications besides what, besides homework, 98 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.399 where they should be using it for. Right so they're more and and 99 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:57.720 again they're in a different mindset. They're not as mature now the high school 100 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:01.240 kids, in theory their parents. If they're, you know, we'll talk 101 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.600 about this later, if they're instructed by the school system, the dudes and 102 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.240 don't to the computer, they're being potentially more monitored. Right. So which 103 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:13.720 is safer or which is which one do you subscribe to when? But I 104 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:18.920 have two different things talk about. One is digital parenting, digital parents, 105 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.680 and focused on the younger group of students. The second thing that I like 106 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:31.439 to focus on is that WHO has assets to the most data? Okay, 107 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.919 that's a good point. Okay. So so when we look at this scenario, 108 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:39.200 the youth don't have assets too much data as the college students do, 109 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:43.000 because college students have asked this to a lot of data, and it's personal 110 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:48.679 data. For the colleges Um you know, they have to put their social 111 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:54.799 security numbers online and a couple of informational things have to be shared and you're 112 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.639 dealing with other people email addresses. You know, it's a couple of things 113 00:08:58.679 --> 00:09:03.480 that call and to that area of data or protection. But college students have 114 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.000 as ss the more data and you know, the more assets, you have 115 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:13.720 to data and that's the more need of cybersecurity. That that I subscribed to. 116 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.639 That that makes sense, um. So what do you think? Figure 117 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:22.799 has changed, uh, in the last couple of years related to you know, 118 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:28.240 it used to be all homeworkers done with a book and not much technology 119 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.360 was involved. The only technology was more the record keeping of the school system, 120 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:37.559 right, but now that we're opening the floodgates to everybody giving access to 121 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:43.200 that Um, where are some potential, you know, challenges and order some 122 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.799 solutions to that Um? I'm pretty much like a look at it from three 123 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:54.320 levels. You know. The first level is that we have remote assets. 124 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:03.360 Okay, most people now are using on line Um Portals to gain information to 125 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.840 the college classes or whatever. Right. So you think about the number of 126 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:13.240 people that use remote assets. Fifty years ago, everybody was in the classroom, 127 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:20.039 right, okay. So when it comes to data, people now do 128 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.480 not go into the closet and pull that shoebox out right and see what they 129 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.720 were in down on the sheet of paper. All that information is saved on 130 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:35.120 a service somewhere and these colleges are saving information even from nine, maybe ten 131 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:37.519 years ago, when someone used to go to the College of pret much. 132 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:43.279 You know, was was a student there. That information is still saved in 133 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:50.399 every politory exactly. So when when it was a paper trail, I mean, 134 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.720 you know, it's a paper trail and it was locked up somewhere. 135 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.240 Now that third level Um that, I think, had changed over time. 136 00:11:00.240 --> 00:11:05.279 It is that is that we are in an age now where where people feel 137 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:13.320 more comfortable working from home and working remotely. So their mindset has shifted from 138 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.399 the presence of the office to the presence of being at home. And the 139 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.960 midst of all of this we always like to say, okay, what type 140 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:24.840 of mindset needs to be in place, because you're not in the office anymore. 141 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:31.399 You know, you can't take your laptop and open up the window unless 142 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:35.320 you're on a PC using windows. Yeah, you can't do that right. 143 00:11:35.200 --> 00:11:41.039 Um. So, in terms of uh, you know, cyber attacks, 144 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:48.159 ransom now in the article they mentioned that there were Um rentsomware attacks, but 145 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:52.279 I don't know. We've heard some stats about businesses being, you know, 146 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.879 held hostage with are right, but is there any indications that school systems have 147 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:03.120 been susceptible to that as well? Know what I would say yes, because 148 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:09.919 I would never ever try to downplay or short change cyber security. Right, 149 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:16.039 ransomware, it can happen anywhere. And if you think about college students, 150 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.639 and let's just, let's just, let's just look at the mindset of a 151 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.000 college students. I need to do my homework. Good luck on that one. 152 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:28.759 Okay, I need to do my homework. And they log onto that 153 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:33.840 computer and they realized that there's a ransomware attack, but they have to give 154 00:12:33.919 --> 00:12:41.080 up, okay, because they can't get to the portal. So if they 155 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:43.240 buy into that and give up the twenty five dollars, then they can get 156 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:48.799 their class work done. Now that opens Bandora's box. Next time it's fifty 157 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.639 right. Yes, yes, it's fifty right, but you would think about 158 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.799 the number of students that are pretty much under that system. You know, 159 00:12:56.840 --> 00:13:03.360 it can be very, very smaller thing. As to arounsomwhere goes to a 160 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:07.679 college and locks down its servers, whole university, Whole University, and you 161 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:15.080 have ten thousand students there that cannot obtain information for their classes and students. 162 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.039 Okay, well, since I can't start the class, then you know, 163 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.320 I want my money back. Okay, because they don't spend them money. 164 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.480 You know, to start the class and the illness was on the university to 165 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.759 Uh to protect. Right, yeah, yeah, and and uh, we 166 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.279 think about, you know, access to the data, but as simple as 167 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:35.519 their email, because most college kids are issued a email tied to the university. 168 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:39.720 Yes, right, and Um, so, I mean are there like, 169 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.919 you know, recommendations putting contingency Um options in play? So you should 170 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.679 have redundant uh servers with all that same data, but not not, not 171 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.960 tied together and Um, you know, on a daily basis. Whatever do 172 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:00.480 they kind of you know, uh clone that to another Erver? I mean, 173 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:05.399 what are some real world applications to kind of UH get one step ahead 174 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:09.639 of the hackers? Okay, I'm gonna bring up a term. It's called 175 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:18.279 PTCA policy. Training and continuous monitor policy means that the college has a policy 176 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.799 out that's that's strong, that states how is you're going to treat the university 177 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:31.720 systems. All right, twoars. You have to train people on those particular 178 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.360 standards. Um Me honestly. Three ISS you have to have a continuous monitoring 179 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:41.320 programming place where you have eyes and ears constantly ongoing and watching what is really 180 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.840 going on, because I don't know if a lot of colleges have a security 181 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:52.159 operational center that that like, monitors the online portals. Most of these security 182 00:14:52.159 --> 00:15:01.639 operational centers are pretty much concerned about trying to manage the internal systems that the 183 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:07.440 college on or like all the professors use and the D M uses, you 184 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.360 know, for the professional use, not the student news. So the question 185 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:16.799 goes, is that all these colleges really monitoring the students, because if you 186 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:24.320 think about a major college that actually has ten thousand students that are remote, 187 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:31.039 all right, yeah, okay, and you have ten thousand possible different scenarios, 188 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:35.120 right. So so you have to really think about the way that you 189 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:39.519 protect their data. And you know, part of it is that most colleges 190 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:46.480 are probably using a VPN tunnel so that their students can log on. Um, 191 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:48.399 you know, that's that's kind of the way I think it. I 192 00:15:48.480 --> 00:15:54.159 think it may work, but it still goes back to PTC. PTC will 193 00:15:54.240 --> 00:16:00.320 save you. Okay, policy training and your continuous monitoring and your teams. 194 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:03.480 Marninton is is kind of going into the question that you pose. Is that 195 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:08.200 what type of software, applications and all the technologies that you have in place 196 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:14.960 and making sure that they are operating. Yeah, you could kind of encapsulate 197 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.600 that. What's your protocol? Right, you have to have a playbook, 198 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.960 Um, just like you have a curriculum for your class throughout the year, 199 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.720 you need to have written down in writing a plan. Here's what we're doing 200 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.320 on a daily basis, monthly, quarterly, to kind of check in. 201 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.000 But also, and then the training is to educate, Um, the professors, 202 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.879 the students, the staff and so forth. So much like you've talked 203 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:41.200 about the military application and in business, everybody should have that. You know 204 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:47.360 that where that hackers hat have that mindset right throughout. So you know, 205 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:51.360 you talked about in the last episode about the military and being the first line 206 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:55.799 of defense. Right, so that should be implemented at the university and the 207 00:16:55.879 --> 00:17:00.000 high school level as well. Right. And resources equals is obersecurity mindset. 208 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.720 Yeah, and security equals equals security in your system. Is Best you can 209 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:08.480 do. There's no there's no magic pill whatever. Right, but if you're 210 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.319 not taking proactive steps on it and don't have a process in place, just 211 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.359 like in business, you can't just like wing it. Right, wow, 212 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:22.200 you saw a MICO sobersecurity expert over there. Don't make my head too big 213 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:26.799 here or whatever. Yeah, but no, it's a fascinating it's a very 214 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:30.359 uh, it's UH. We were talking about an article before. You know, 215 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:36.839 UM, every business it's somewhere in their psyche, right, what if? 216 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.240 Right, and you can't, you know, being ostrogen, have your 217 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.119 head in the sand at the same time. You gotta do other stuff. 218 00:17:42.119 --> 00:17:45.480 You've gotta live in the real world, right, but you gotta understand there's 219 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:51.160 people, hackers living in the hackers world. There you go, hackers world. 220 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.000 What else? The term that is you throughout the military and it states 221 00:17:56.039 --> 00:18:00.480 that that that if you are ready, then you're always ready. Yeah, 222 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:06.839 okay. That is that proactive mindset. That's proactive defense. That's part of 223 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:12.440 the human fall waull theory. That is having that thinking process in place where 224 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:19.119 you constantly engaged into cybersecurity, because cybersecurity is ongoing. So if cybersecurity is 225 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:26.319 ongoing, then it only makes it smarter if normal people are ongoing as well 226 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.640 too. So so it's really kind of kind of makes it easy, right. 227 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:34.720 It's kind of like, uh, in business terms, it's like you 228 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:41.519 don't rely your entire finances, just your C P A or the finance department. 229 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.279 Everybody within the organization should be monitoring. HOW ARE WE SPENDING MONEY? 230 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:48.680 Right? ARE WE WASTING MONEY? and Um, and a red flag should 231 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.720 appear if the statements aren't driving right. But you don't have to rely on 232 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:56.519 the annual review of your statement. You know, you should be monitoring just 233 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:59.920 like your personal bank account. You know, I gotta call. Yesterday I 234 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.680 was doing, uh, some withdrawals and the bank uh called and said, 235 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.839 hey, there's been some suspicious activity and they actually locked down my account until 236 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:12.559 it was verified by me. Right. So transpose that into our topic today 237 00:19:12.599 --> 00:19:15.680 about cybersecuity in the school system. One last question. We're running out of 238 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:19.079 time here, but, Um, one last question, kind of on topic, 239 00:19:19.079 --> 00:19:26.400 but a little different angle to this. Um, are you is cybersecurity 240 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.759 being taught, you know, at the college level in terms of, you 241 00:19:29.799 --> 00:19:33.119 know, a career, and has that built into some of the curriculum? 242 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:37.799 Do you feel, Um, at this point? Well, cybersecurity is taught 243 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:42.240 as a field, but within you think universities have a designated uh, not 244 00:19:42.359 --> 00:19:47.559 a degree in that space? Right, but Um, is that a course 245 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.680 that people can take cybersecurity one on one kind of thing? Right, you're 246 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:56.279 talking like a user awareness course. Okay, I believe most colleges do have 247 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.720 it and place and and I think it should be in place prior to any 248 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:07.279 students Um using any of the college services. You know, a user awareness 249 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:12.000 core should actually be in places where most organizations make sure the interviewers go through 250 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:18.119 that one hour training on like user awareness seat and I should be almost like 251 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:21.559 a test, right, and it Wass some I'm sure some high schools, 252 00:20:21.559 --> 00:20:23.519 middle schools, colleges are probably already doing this. If not, you know, 253 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.519 just the Aha moment would be like, we're not actually even issuing you 254 00:20:27.519 --> 00:20:33.599 your computer or your email address until you've passed this test. Right. So 255 00:20:33.640 --> 00:20:36.400 you can train them, but what are they retaining? Right, they can 256 00:20:36.440 --> 00:20:41.200 sit through an hour, but it's basically it's like your driver's license, right, 257 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.160 you can study for the license, but you don't get handed that license 258 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.880 until you pass the driving test. So well, well, you know what, 259 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:55.519 when it comes to training and people, people, people will have a 260 00:20:55.599 --> 00:21:02.799 lapse. So that's where the and the raise PTC and they see at the 261 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:04.880 end, which is your continuous Martine, comes in place. This is where 262 00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:07.359 the eyes and ears are monitoring, you know, the people that have been 263 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:11.640 trained. Okay, now, now you're trained. Now we trust you, 264 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.079 but you know what, you know, we're still gonna keep our eyes and 265 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:17.799 ears on you. It's like your famous presidents. At one time trust, 266 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:21.680 but verified. That's right, right, that's that's right. Zero Trust, 267 00:21:22.720 --> 00:21:29.359 you know, you know, with zero proven guilty until you know, the 268 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:33.960 traditional ways was to trust, trust, with verified. But as announcing we 269 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:37.319 moved to a zero trust architect out here means that you don't trust at all. 270 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:41.559 So, you know, once our organization moves to that level, I 271 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.960 think there'll be a whole lot safe, because with zero trust, Um, 272 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:51.279 you know, like you have a lot of security zones in place, so 273 00:21:51.319 --> 00:21:56.240 you're really being authenticated and verified at so many levels, whereas, whereas the 274 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.559 traditional method means that once you good assets and it was good to go. 275 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:06.559 But now with zero trust, no, we still need to do verifile with 276 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:11.119 checks as you progress, do the system and you use these applications. Speaking 277 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:15.559 of good to go, we gotta go, all right. Yeah, it's 278 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.000 the end of this this magical hour here. Yeah. So, Duanne, 279 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:22.960 has been a pleasure once again to have you in our Lanto podcast studios here 280 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:27.039 on the global podcast studios network and rich castnover here. Just adding my two 281 00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:30.279 cents and my two cents are now I'll put to probably probably a nickel at 282 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:37.519 this point. Right my educational cybersecurity, you have enough to go out nice. 283 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.640 Well, you definitely have the similar dollar in this on this topic and 284 00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:45.440 subject matter. And speaking of that Um again, check out DWAYNE HART DOT 285 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:51.400 COM. Everything we've talked about on the PODCAST, his book is available there, 286 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.039 links to his youtube for the live stream, so forth and so on. 287 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:59.240 So rather than giving all kinds of social media handles and websites and Domaine 288 00:22:59.519 --> 00:23:03.440 dwayne right dot com. You'll check it out. Everything is there and we 289 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.079 look forward to having me back in the studio and your upcoming podcast a series. 290 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:12.880 Okay, take care and again we'll see you next time right here with 291 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.319 Dwayne and rich. I don't know if that's the name of a show, 292 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.599 but we'll be here.